Legislature(2021 - 2022)GRUENBERG 120

03/09/2022 01:00 PM House JUDICIARY

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01:32:00 PM Start
01:32:39 PM Board of Governors of the Alaska Bar
01:44:01 PM HB5
02:51:08 PM Adjourn
* first hearing in first committee of referral
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-- Delayed to 1:30 pm --
+ Consideration of Governor’s Appointees: Board TELECONFERENCED
of Governors of the Alaska Bar - Jedediah Cox
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+= HB 5 SEXUAL ASSAULT; DEF. OF "CONSENT" TELECONFERENCED
Heard & Held
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                    ALASKA STATE LEGISLATURE                                                                                  
               HOUSE JUDICIARY STANDING COMMITTEE                                                                             
                         March 9, 2022                                                                                          
                           1:32 p.m.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Representative Matt Claman, Chair                                                                                               
Representative Liz Snyder, Vice Chair                                                                                           
Representative Harriet Drummond                                                                                                 
Representative Jonathan Kreiss-Tomkins (via teleconference)                                                                     
Representative David Eastman                                                                                                    
Representative Christopher Kurka                                                                                                
Representative Sarah Vance                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
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CONFIRMATION HEARING(S):                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Board of Governors of the Alaska Bar                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     Jedidiah Cox - Anchorage                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
     - CONFIRMATION(S) ADVANCED                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
SPONSOR SUBSTITUTE FOR HOUSE BILL NO. 5                                                                                         
"An Act relating  to sexual abuse of a minor;  relating to sexual                                                               
assault; relating  to the code  of military justice;  relating to                                                               
consent; relating  to the testing  of sexual  assault examination                                                               
kits; and providing for an effective date."                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     - HEARD & HELD                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
PREVIOUS COMMITTEE ACTION                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
BILL: HB   5                                                                                                                  
SHORT TITLE: SEXUAL ASSAULT; DEF. OF "CONSENT"                                                                                  
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                         KREISS-TOMKINS                                                                                         
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WITNESS REGISTER                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
JEDIDIAH COX, Appointee                                                                                                         
Board of Governors of the Alaska Bar                                                                                            
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified as an appointee to the Board of                                                                
Governors of the Alaska Bar.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
JOHN SKIDMORE, Deputy Attorney General                                                                                          
Office of the Attorney General                                                                                                  
Criminal Division (Anchorage)                                                                                                   
Department of Law                                                                                                               
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT:  Presented a document to the committee,                                                                   
titled "HB 5 Additional Document - Department of Law Sexual                                                                     
Assault and Consent Draft Language" and answered questions.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
ACTION NARRATIVE                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
1:32:00 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR MATT  CLAMAN called the House  Judiciary Standing Committee                                                             
meeting to order  at 1:32 p.m.   Representatives Drummond, Vance,                                                               
Snyder,  Kriess-Tomkins  (via  teleconference), and  Claman  were                                                               
present at the call to  order.  Representatives Kurka and Eastman                                                               
arrived as the meeting was in progress.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
^CONFIRMATION HEARING(S):                                                                                                       
                    CONFIRMATION HEARING(S):                                                                                
^Board of Governors of the Alaska Bar                                                                                           
              Board of Governors of the Alaska Bar                                                                          
                                                                                                                              
1:32:39 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR CLAMAN announced that the  first order of business would be                                                               
the  confirmation  hearing on  the  governor's  appointee to  the                                                               
Board of Governors of the Alaska Bar.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
1:32:52 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR CLAMAN opened public testimony.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
1:33:15 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
JEDIDIAH COX,  Appointee, Board of  Governors of the  Alaska Bar,                                                               
testified  as the  appointee to  the  public member  seat on  the                                                               
Board of  Governors of the Alaska  Bar.  He provided  examples of                                                               
accomplishments  of the  board  during  his preceding  three-year                                                               
tenure.   Among these  accomplishments he  stated that  the board                                                               
had purchased  the building in  Anchorage which  provides revenue                                                               
and improvements to  the work environment.  He stated  that he is                                                               
a  member  of  the  building  management  subcommittee  which  is                                                               
overseeing the  renovations.   He noted that  the board  has also                                                               
implemented  mitigation measures  during  the COVID-19  pandemic,                                                               
including maintaining the availability of  the exam to Alaska Bar                                                               
Association members  and members of  the public.  He  pointed out                                                               
that  the board  has  also transitioned  the  positions of  Chief                                                               
Executive Officer  and its  general counsel.   He added  that the                                                               
board has not  increased its dues for  members despite inflation.                                                               
He shared  that he is  a member of  the committee for  the Alaska                                                               
Bar Association which conducts performance evaluations.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
1:35:49 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. COX, in  response to a question  from Representative Eastman,                                                               
answered  that  the availability  of  attorneys  in Alaska  is  a                                                               
matter of  concern to the board.   He spoke about  the test score                                                               
requirement and  how the board  had reviewed this  requirement in                                                               
2019.  He stated  that the board had not determined  a need for a                                                               
change to the  score at that time, and the  board would reexamine                                                               
the issue  at its  next meeting.   He noted  that there  exists a                                                               
national shortage of  attorneys, and there is a  pro bono program                                                               
for  economically disadvantaged  individuals.   In response  to a                                                               
follow-up  question, he  stated that  the Alaska  Bar Association                                                               
has reciprocity  with all  50 states and  Washington, D.C.   This                                                               
allows for  individuals with  three years  of good  standing with                                                               
the  local state's  bar association  to practice  law in  Alaska,                                                               
with a few additional caveats.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR CLAMAN asked  Mr. Cox to share his experience  and level of                                                               
participation  in  board  activities as  a  public,  non-attorney                                                               
member.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MR.  COX shared  that  he  has been  impressed  with the  board's                                                               
ability  to consider  diverse viewpoints,  and the  public member                                                               
often brings important perspectives on key issues.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  EASTMAN referred  to the  resume provided  to the                                                               
committee  and asked  Mr. Cox  to explain  his experience  in the                                                               
Florida House of Representatives.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MR.  COX answered  that he  was the  executive secretary  for the                                                               
Florida  State Legislature's  House Rules  Committee.   He shared                                                               
that he often dealt with lobbyists.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
1:40:39 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  CLAMAN,  after ascertaining  there  was  no one  else  who                                                               
wished to  testify, closed public  testimony on  the confirmation                                                               
hearing of the governor's appointee  to the Board of Governors of                                                               
the Alaska Bar.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE EASTMAN  commented on  the shortage  of practicing                                                               
attorneys in  Alaska; however, there  are individuals  seeking to                                                               
be employed as attorneys.   He encouraged the legislature and the                                                               
Alaska Bar  Association to  consider both  of these  needs during                                                               
the confirmation process.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  DRUMMOND  thanked Mr.  Cox  for  his service  and                                                               
participation in the process.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  CLAMAN offered  that one  of the  challenges faced  by the                                                               
board is the balance between  increasing licenses and the quality                                                               
of competency among practicing attorneys.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
1:43:26 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE SNYDER  stated that  the House  Judiciary Standing                                                               
Committee  has  reviewed  the qualifications  of  the  governor's                                                               
appointee and  recommends the  following name  be forwarded  to a                                                               
joint session for  consideration:  Jedidiah Cox for  the Board of                                                               
Governor's for the Alaska Bar.   She stated this does not reflect                                                               
the intent  of any  of the  members to vote  for or  against this                                                               
individual  during  any  further  sessions for  the  purposes  of                                                               
confirmation.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR CLAMAN  announced that  the name of  Jedidiah Cox  would be                                                               
forwarded to the joint session.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
             HB 5-SEXUAL ASSAULT; DEF. OF "CONSENT"                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
1:44:01 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR CLAMAN announced that the  final order of business would be                                                               
SPONSOR  SUBSTITUTE FOR  HOUSE BILL  NO. 5,  "An Act  relating to                                                               
sexual abuse of a minor;  relating to sexual assault; relating to                                                               
the code  of military justice;  relating to consent;  relating to                                                               
the  testing of  sexual assault  examination kits;  and providing                                                               
for  an  effective  date."   [Before  the  committee  was  CSSSHB
5(STA).]                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
1:45:21 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
JOHN  SKIDMORE,  Deputy   Attorney  General,  Criminal  Division,                                                               
Department of Law  (DOL), testified during the  hearing on CSSSHB
5(STA).  He stated that he  has been practicing law in Alaska for                                                               
more  than 24  years,  and  during this  time  Alaska  has had  a                                                               
"pernicious"  problem  with  sexual   assault.    Despite  having                                                               
investigators,   the  Alaska   State   Troopers,  municipal   law                                                               
enforcement  agencies, special  prosecutors, and  public outreach                                                               
campaigns  to  build  awareness  of the  issue,  Alaska  has  the                                                               
highest rate  of sexual assault  in the nation.   He acknowledged                                                               
that  the   legislature  has  appropriated  funding   and  passed                                                               
legislation to address  the issues.  Having  prosecuted a variety                                                               
of  sexual assault  cases,  he shared  that he  has  been in  the                                                               
untenable  position of  explaining  to victims  who had  verbally                                                               
refused consent  that the state  was unable to  prosecute because                                                               
of the  [legal] definition of consent.   He pointed out,  per the                                                               
current law, if  there is a lack  of the use of force,  or a lack                                                               
of a threat of  force, it would not rise to the  level of being a                                                               
crime.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR SKIDMORE shared  that he is the longest-serving  member on the                                                               
Alaska Network  on Domestic Violence and  Sexual Assault (ANDVSA)                                                               
and  related his  experience of  explaining to  victims why  such                                                               
conduct is not prohibited by law.   He expressed the opinion that                                                               
the meaning  of the  word "consent"  is "willingness,  harmony or                                                               
concordance, or agreement with what  can happen."  He argued that                                                               
it  is long  past the  time to  update the  law accordingly.   He                                                               
pointed out  that law has evolved  past the era where  women were                                                               
viewed as property, and rape was  not a crime against a woman but                                                               
a crime against  her father or husband.  He  described consent to                                                               
a sexual  act as an act  both parties have an  interest in doing.                                                               
He stated  that the  laws regarding  consent have  been changing,                                                               
and over  the last decade  the drafters  of the Model  Penal Code                                                               
began this  review.  He  stated that several states  have updated                                                               
laws  to include  three  concepts:   free  will,  the ability  to                                                               
withdraw  consent,  and  the consideration  of  the  totality  of                                                               
circumstances.   He offered that  DOL advocates the  inclusion of                                                               
such concepts in changes to Alaska law.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MR. SKIDMORE  recalled House Bill  49 [passed during  the Thirty-                                                               
First  Alaska   State  Legislature]  had  included   attempts  to                                                               
introduce  these   three  concepts   into  law.     He  expressed                                                               
excitement  of  the  current  administration's  support  for  the                                                               
changes regarding sexual assault in the  law.  He referred to the                                                               
document he passed out to  the committee, titled "HB 5 Additional                                                               
Document -  Department of  Law Sexual  Assault and  Consent Draft                                                               
Language"  [included  in the  committee  packet].   The  document                                                               
outlined  DOL's  proposed  language   change  on  the  matter  of                                                               
consent.   He offered that  the department is open  to discussion                                                               
to determine  the ideal language.   He reiterated that  the three                                                               
concepts [listed above] are important to the department.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR.  SKIDMORE  reminded  the committee  that  sexual  assault  in                                                               
Alaska is  a long-standing problem.   He emphasized  that, should                                                               
the laws  about consent change, it  would not likely result  in a                                                               
panacea which  stops sexual assault.   He stated that  cases will                                                               
be  as difficult  to  prove as  they are  under  the current  law                                                               
because this conduct typically occurs  between two individuals in                                                               
a private setting without witnesses  or recordings; however, this                                                               
does not  equate to a lack  of need for  changes to the law.   He                                                               
pointed  out  that  young Alaskans  are  learning  about  healthy                                                               
relationships  and  the  concepts   of  consent,  and  the  state                                                               
government should recognize  the existence of the  need to update                                                               
the laws accordingly.  He  explained that the document before the                                                               
committee  is not  the proposed  bill, [but  suggested language].                                                               
He noted  that Section  1 describes sexual  assault in  the first                                                               
degree, and the  definition is the result from the  study of this                                                               
legislation  in  other states.    He  noted  that states  with  a                                                               
broader definition  of consent maintain  a separation  of degrees                                                               
of sexual assault.  In other  words, a situation where consent is                                                               
not  offered is  different  than when  an  individual is  struck,                                                               
beaten,  or threatened  with  a weapon,  and  each situation  has                                                               
differing  degrees  of criminal  conduct.    He stated  that  the                                                               
proposed language  provides that  sexual assault would  remain an                                                               
unclassified felony, punishable by 20 to  30 years in prison.  He                                                               
read  from   the  document,  which  read   as  follows  [original                                                               
punctuation provided]:                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     (a) An offender commits the  crime of sexual assault in                                                                    
     the first degree if                                                                                                        
          (1)  the offender  engages  in sexual  penetration                                                                    
     with another person without consent of that person by                                                                  
               (A)  the  use  of  force or  the  express  or                                                                
          implied  threat of  force  against  any person  or                                                                
          property; or                                                                                                      
               (B)    causing   the    victim   to    become                                                                
          incapacitated;                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. SKIDMORE added that causing  incapacitation of a victim would                                                               
not be a  case where someone has a mental  illness [and is unable                                                               
to  offer consent.]   He  explained  that causing  incapacitation                                                               
would be a defendant making an  affirmative act, such as giving a                                                               
drug, hitting, or strangling the  victim.  He explained that this                                                               
is newly  proposed language in  the definition of "use  of force"                                                               
in the elements of assault.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. SKIDMORE  stated that sexual  contact is preserved in  law in                                                               
the proposed language in Section  2, and AS 11.41.420(a) would be                                                               
updated to  eliminate the need  for the  threat or use  of force.                                                               
He referred  to Section 3  of the document, drawing  attention to                                                               
paragraph  (7), which  contains proposed  language pertaining  to                                                               
sexual  assault  in  the  third degree,  which  read  as  follows                                                               
[original punctuation provided]:                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
          (7)  under circumstances  not proscribed  under AS                                                                
     11.41.420, the offender engages  in sexual contact with                                                                
     another person without consent of that person.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MR. SKIDMORE  stated that  the new  definition would  replace the                                                               
existing  definition  in  AS 11.41.470(10)  to  include  "without                                                               
consent".     He   stated  that   the  proposed   language  would                                                               
distinguish when  consent exists and  when it does not  exist, on                                                               
page 3, which read as follows [original punctuation provided]:                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
          (A)  means  that there  was  not  a freely  given,                                                                    
     reversible agreement specific to  the conduct at issue,                                                                    
     and is determined by the totality of the circumstances                                                                     
     surrounding the offense;                                                                                                   
          B) includes                                                                                                           
               (i) an expression of  lack of consent through                                                                    
          words or conduct;                                                                                                     
               (ii) the  defendant fraudulently representing                                                                    
          that   the  sexual   act  serves   a  professional                                                                    
          purpose: in this  paragraph "professional purpose"                                                                    
          means an  act the  defendant has represented  as a                                                                    
          necessary   part  or   component  of   a  provided                                                                    
          service,  part   of  the   routine  course   of  a                                                                    
          procedure,  or  a  component  of  the  defendant's                                                                    
          profession  that would  occur if  a person  sought                                                                    
          services  from another  practitioner  in the  same                                                                    
          field as the defendant;                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
1:57:28 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. SKIDMORE explained that a  lack of consent through words                                                                    
or conduct  could be evidenced  by a victim saying  "No," or                                                                    
by  a victim  slapping or  pushing an  individual away.   He                                                                    
offered  an  example of  a  fraudulent  representation of  a                                                                    
professional,  such  as  a  medical  professional,  personal                                                                    
trainer, or  yoga instructor, who engages  in sexual contact                                                                    
which is not  necessary to the service provided.   He stated                                                                    
that this would be sexual assault.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MR. SKIDMORE pointed out Section 3, subparagraph (C), which read                                                                
as follows, [original punctuation provided]:                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     (C) In this paragraph,                                                                                                     
          (i)  "agreement" does  not  include  a current  or                                                                    
     previous  dating,  social  or  sexual  relationship  by                                                                    
     itself, or the manner of dress of the victim                                                                               
          (ii) "freely  given" means agreement  to cooperate                                                                    
     in the act  was positively expressed by  word or action                                                                    
     pursuant to free will;                                                                                                     
          (iii)  "reversible agreement"  means an  agreement                                                                    
     to engage  in the  conduct at issue  may be  revoked at                                                                    
     any time;                                                                                                                  
          (iii)  "expression of  lack of  consent" does  not                                                                    
     require verbal  or physical resistance and  may include                                                                    
     inaction.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR. SKIDMORE  characterized revocation of consent  as, "It's okay                                                               
to change  your mind."   He explained  that the inclusion  of the                                                               
potential   for  inaction   is   necessary  because   prosecutors                                                               
frequently encounter victims who,  from shock or surprise, freeze                                                               
in  the moment  and  do not  provide the  required  consent.   He                                                               
pointed  out Section  5, regarding  the  crime of  coercion.   He                                                               
stated that this  is when a person compels a  victim to engage in                                                               
conduct when  there is a legal  right to abstain.   He listed the                                                               
conduct  beginning  on  paragraph  (1),  which  read  as  follows                                                               
[original punctuation provided]:                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
          (1)  inflict  physical  injury on  anyone,  except                                                                    
     under   circumstances  constituting   robbery  in   any                                                                    
     degree, or commit any other crime;                                                                                         
          (2) accuse anyone of a crime;                                                                                         
          (3) expose  confidential information or  a secret,                                                                    
     whether true or  false, tending to subject  a person to                                                                    
     hatred,  contempt,   or  ridicule  or  to   impair  the                                                                    
     person's credit or business repute;                                                                                        
          (4) take  or withhold  action as a  public servant                                                                    
     or cause a public servant to take or withhold action;                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR.  SKIDMORE stated  that these  types of  behaviors, among  the                                                               
others  listed, would  be  sexual  assault.   He  added that  the                                                               
proposed language would include Section  6, which would repeal AS                                                               
11.41.470(8), which contains the current definition of consent.                                                                 
He  stated that  CSSSHB 5(STA)  would address  sexual assault  in                                                               
circumstances of fraud, which the  administration has not taken a                                                               
position on.   Also, he  said CSSSHB 5(STA) would  address sexual                                                               
abuse of a minor, increasing penalties  if there is a 10-year age                                                               
gap.  He  stated that in current statute, the  age gap is limited                                                               
to 4  years, and the administration  has not taken a  position on                                                               
this either.   He  offered that  the administration  supports the                                                               
proposed legislation's  stance on consent and  the Sexual Assault                                                               
Response Team (SART) kit testing.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
2:03:18 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  SKIDMORE,  in response  to  a  question from  Representative                                                               
Kurka, answered  that Section 6  would be a  conforming statutory                                                               
update  to the  definition of  consent.   In regard  to this,  he                                                               
encouraged the  committee to  focus on  the three  elements: free                                                               
will,  reversable,  and  consideration  of the  totality  of  the                                                               
circumstances.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR.  SKIDMORE,  in response  to  a  question from  Representative                                                               
Vance concerning  the "totality  of the  circumstances", answered                                                               
that prosecutors review  each case on an individual  basis, as it                                                               
would be  impossible to  legislate every  nuance.   He postulated                                                               
that  no two  incidents of  alleged sexual  assault would  be the                                                               
same.   He stated that the  law will often consider  the totality                                                               
of the  circumstances of an  incident.  In example,  he explained                                                               
that  the  existence  of  a  previous  relationship  may  not  be                                                               
consent,  but  if  a  couple had  engaged  in  certain  behaviors                                                               
previously,  it  would  need  to  be evaluated  as  part  of  the                                                               
evidence in  determining whether consent  was given.   He offered                                                               
another  scenario in  which a  person unknown  to the  victim was                                                               
touched  in the  manner defined  as  sexual contact  in a  public                                                               
location.  The  court would consider if there  existed any reason                                                               
the  aggressor  would think  the  conduct  was appropriate.    He                                                               
listed  some  other elements  of  circumstance:  whether the  two                                                               
people knew one  another, where they were  located, what previous                                                               
contact had  occurred between them,  and what  communications may                                                               
have occurred  to determine  if a  defendant had  acted knowingly                                                               
and recklessly.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
2:07:32 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE   EASTMAN   asked   whether  the   definition   of                                                               
"agreement"  would   be  excluded   from  the  totality   of  the                                                               
circumstances.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR. SKIDMORE answered that "agreement"  is not constituted by the                                                               
factors listed in the definition  and should not be considered by                                                               
itself.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  EASTMAN asked  whether consent  would be  legally                                                               
measured to  determine when  it had  been revoked,  especially in                                                               
the case of inaction.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MR. SKIDMORE  answered that  it is  difficult for  prosecutors to                                                               
prove this had  occurred beyond a reasonable doubt.   He answered                                                               
that an "agreement" is revoked  when an individual indicates that                                                               
engagement  in the  conduct  is  no longer  wanted.   He  offered                                                               
examples of an individual saying, "Stop,"  "Get off of me," or "I                                                               
don't want  to do  this anymore," or  the individual  pushing the                                                               
other individual away.  He  characterized these examples as clear                                                               
indications  of the  revocation of  consent.   He  added that  it                                                               
would  be  important to  consider  whether  the other  individual                                                               
continues the conduct with "reckless  disregard".  In response to                                                               
a follow-up  question, he answered  that an  individual disrobing                                                               
in front of another would be  an agreement to engage in some type                                                               
of conduct, resulting in the  two questions: what type of conduct                                                               
and to what extent.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
2:13:00 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  EASTMAN asked  whether a  subset of  issues under                                                               
circumstances not  proscribed in AS  11.41.410 would amount  to a                                                               
crime.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR.  SKIDMORE answered  by offering  an example  of coercion,  in                                                               
which an individual  threatens to accuse an  individual of having                                                               
committed  a  crime if  the  victim  does  not engage  in  sexual                                                               
contact.    He  stated  that  the  investigation  would  seek  to                                                               
determine if the threat was  enough to overcome the person's free                                                               
will.  He advised that all the  elements need to be met to amount                                                               
to the  incidence of  sexual assault.   If  all elements  are not                                                               
met, the crime would be coercion.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE EASTMAN asked whether  a person could be convicted                                                               
of  a crime  of coercion  with sexual  acts, but  not a  crime of                                                               
coercion with sexual assault.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR.  SKIDMORE  answered  that  sexual  acts  defined  as  "sexual                                                               
assault"  include sexual  contact  and  sexual penetration,  with                                                               
each  having  a   definition  in  statute.     He  expressed  the                                                               
possibility for a  person to engage in what may  be called "a sex                                                               
act," but it  does not meet the definitions;  therefore, it would                                                               
need to be outside of these  definitions to not be considered and                                                               
prosecuted as a sexual assault.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE EASTMAN expressed his  concern about acts which do                                                               
not qualify as a sexual assault or coercion.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  SKIDMORE offered  that the  phrase "other  circumstances not                                                               
proscribed" exists  so the crime  would either be  sexual assault                                                               
or coercion.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
2:18:39 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE SNYDER  gave an example  of sexual  penetration by                                                               
one  person with  another  person who  was  unconscious, but  the                                                               
perpetrator   had  not   caused  the   other  individual   to  be                                                               
unconscious.   She questioned  whether this  act would  be sexual                                                               
assault in the first degree.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  SKIDMORE answered  that it  would be  sexual assault  in the                                                               
second degree.   In  response to a  follow-up question  about the                                                               
degree of  the crime,  he answered that  if the  defendant causes                                                               
the incapacitation, this would be a more significant crime.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  SNYDER allowed  that crimes  involving force  are                                                               
serious  and asked  what  constitutes the  second  degree in  the                                                               
scenario  described   earlier.    She  questioned   whether  this                                                               
classification is unique to Alaska.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MR.  SKIDMORE referenced  the classification  in the  Model Penal                                                               
Code and  stated that this  is in  the legislation for  all other                                                               
states  he  had  researched.   He  offered  that  both  instances                                                               
involve the  commission of a crime,  but what makes one  worse is                                                               
when the offender  causes the incapacitation.  This  is a greater                                                               
predatory crime in the eyes of the law.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
2:22:17 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR   CLAMAN  stated   that  the   language  in   the  document                                                               
categorizes "sexual  penetration without consent" to  be a first-                                                               
degree  sexual  assault, regardless  of  whether  the victim  was                                                               
"punched."  He  expressed the opinion that  victims have reported                                                               
experiences equally  violent.  He  questioned DOL's  rationale in                                                               
treating  the  occurrence  of additional  violence  as  a  higher                                                               
degree than the failure to understand the lack of consent.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR.  SKIDMORE responded  that victims  have  expressed a  similar                                                               
point of  view.  He  noted that  this approach exists  across the                                                               
country, reflecting  the Model  Penal Code and  federal law.   He                                                               
stated that,  when an  individual engages  in additional  acts of                                                               
violence,  or  causes a  victim  to  become incapacitated,  these                                                               
circumstances indicate  the perpetrator took additional  steps to                                                               
engage in the  criminal conduct.  He added  that these additional                                                               
steps can be seen as aggravating  factors and can be treated more                                                               
harshly through sanctions or sentencing.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  CLAMAN pointed  out the  criticism of  the current  law is                                                               
that  to prosecute  any sexual  assault, the  definition requires                                                               
the use of  force.  He questioned DOL's requirement  of force for                                                               
sexual assault in the first degree but not for second- or third-                                                                
degree assaults.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR.  SKIDMORE, regarding  sexual assault  and consent,  responded                                                               
that the  discussion for this  across the country  addresses what                                                               
is it  that overcomes the consent.   For example, consent  may be                                                               
overcome using force, the threat  of force, or through some other                                                               
coercive behavior.   He  added that many  states have  laws which                                                               
indicate  consent may  be  overcome using  fraud,  and there  are                                                               
cases where  the person  is incapable of  consenting, such  as an                                                               
incapacitated person.   He  added that most,  if not  all, states                                                               
have  laws concerning  persons  of  a certain  age  as not  being                                                               
capable of  giving consent.   He explained that laws  address the                                                               
different  ways in  which consent  is not  obtained and  which of                                                               
these ways is more egregious.   Regarding the threat of force, or                                                               
the use of force, there is  uniformity among laws which puts this                                                               
at the  highest level of  crime.  He  noted that some  state laws                                                               
require  the use  of  a  firearm or  serious  physical injury  to                                                               
amount to  the highest  level of  crime.   He explained  that the                                                               
decision of what is the highest  level of crime is policy decided                                                               
by each state's  legislature.  He added that the  Alaska law does                                                               
not  categorize the  use  of a  dangerous  instrument during  the                                                               
commission of  a crime  to amount  to a  more serious  crime, but                                                               
that  aggravating factors  may exist  to address  these concepts.                                                               
In response  to a follow-up  question, he stated that,  under the                                                               
current law,  aggravating factors must  be found by a  jury prior                                                               
to the court applying the aggravating factor at sentencing.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
2:29:08 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE KURKA  offered an  example in  which a  person was                                                               
incapacitated  due to  medical intervention  and another  person,                                                               
who  was  not directly  involved  in  the incapacitation  of  the                                                               
victim, commits a  sexual assault.  He suggested  that this would                                                               
imply premeditation and  could be a serious crime.   He asked for                                                               
a distinction between the first- and second-degree assault.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR.  SKIDMORE agreed  that the  circumstance  described would  be                                                               
alarming.  He  referred to paragraph (3),  which addresses sexual                                                               
assault in  the first degree.   He relayed that it  occurs when a                                                               
person engages in sexual penetration  with another person who the                                                               
offender  knows  is  mentally  incapable,   and  who  is  in  the                                                               
offender's  care  under  the  authority   of  law.    He  further                                                               
explained that paragraph (4) addresses  when the offender engages                                                               
in sexual penetration and knows  the victim is unaware the sexual                                                               
act is being committed, and  the offender is a healthcare worker,                                                               
or the offense  takes place during the  professional treatment of                                                               
the  victim.   He noted  that  both instances  are tantamount  to                                                               
sexual  assault in  the first  degree.   He answered  that sexual                                                               
assault in  the first  degree in  a presumptive  sentencing range                                                               
for a first offense  is 20 to 30 years and  sexual assault in the                                                               
second degree is 15 to 30 years.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
2:32:01 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE SNYDER  asked whether  the use  of force  would be                                                               
required for  penetration of an incapacitated  person because the                                                               
victim  could  not  further  aid  the act.    She  asked  for  an                                                               
explanation of whether this amounted  to the existence of the use                                                               
of force.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR.  SKIDMORE  offered  that  this   question  is  one  of  great                                                               
consternation  among prosecutors.   He  referred to  AS 11.81.900                                                               
and the  definition of the  "use of force".   He stated  that the                                                               
Alaska Court  of Appeals opined the  use of force should  be more                                                               
than  the force  which is  necessary  to achieve  the outcome  of                                                               
sexual penetration or  contact.  He cited the cases  of the State                                                             
v. Townsend, Court  of Appeals No. A-10502 (Alaska  Ct. App. Sep.                                                             
14, 2011), and the State v.  Mayfield, 442 P.3d 794 (2019), which                                                             
contain discussions  regarding the  use of  force beyond  what is                                                               
necessary solely for the act itself.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR CLAMAN postulated that neither case has been published.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
2:34:16 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE EASTMAN  asked whether the case  of sexual assault                                                               
involving penetration  of someone  who is incapacitated  is equal                                                               
to the case of sexual assault involving contact with semen.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. SKIDMORE answered that the  distinctions in penalties for the                                                               
two scenarios  would be  a policy  call by  the legislature.   He                                                               
added  that sexual  assault in  the  second degree  has a  larger                                                               
presumptive sentencing and includes  a 15-year range of potential                                                               
penalty imposed at sentencing.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
2:36:15 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE KURKA  reiterated the question whether  the sexual                                                               
act on an incapacitated person  would necessarily require the use                                                               
of force.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR. SKIDMORE,  concerning someone  who is  already incapacitated,                                                               
answered that the  use of force would not  be further considered.                                                               
He added that, under current law,  the use of force pertaining to                                                               
"without consent"  occurs when a  person's willingness  to engage                                                               
in the  conduct is overcome  by the threat or  use of force.   He                                                               
added that,  cases involving  a person who  is unable  to provide                                                               
consent, the use of force is  not an issue despite the occurrence                                                               
of  the use  of force.   He  postulated that  a case  involving a                                                               
person  beating another  person  who is  incapacitated before  or                                                               
during a sexual  assault might be charged with  sexual assault in                                                               
the second degree along with a separate crime of assault.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
2:38:06 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR CLAMAN  asked whether Mr.  Skidmore could recall  the facts                                                               
and circumstances in the State v. Townsend case.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MR. SKIDMORE stated  that the case is commonly referred  to as "a                                                               
case of surprise."  He explained  that an individual was in a bar                                                               
in  Juneau, and  another person  grabbed his  crotch.   He stated                                                               
that  the case  was reported  to the  police department,  and the                                                               
district  attorney  proceeded  with   filing  charges  of  sexual                                                               
assault, to  which the Court  of Appeals ruled that  surprise was                                                               
not  cause for  sexual  assault.    In  response  to a  follow-up                                                               
question,  he  explained  that the  court's  reasoning  had  been                                                               
because  the conduct  occurred  by surprise,  and  force was  not                                                               
necessary to  accomplish the act;  therefore, it did  not qualify                                                               
as a sexual assault.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MR.  SKIDMORE,  in response  to  a  question from  Representative                                                               
Vance, answered that the case was dismissed with no conviction.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR CLAMAN  asked whether there  might have been  the potential                                                               
to prosecute  a crime other than  sexual assault in the  State v.                                                             
Townsend case, such as harassment or fourth-degree assault.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. SKIDMORE  answered that  the crime  of assault  requires more                                                               
pain or physical injury to exist.   He opined that the case could                                                               
amount to charges  of either a Class A or  Class B misdemeanor of                                                               
harassment.   He added  that the law  requires for  harassment to                                                               
have occurred,  the conduct would  be committed with  the intent,                                                               
or with the  conscious objective, to engage  in offensive contact                                                               
with  the intent  to  harass  the person.    As  a defense  under                                                               
current  law, the  defendant could  relate he  did not  intend to                                                               
harass the other  person, or he held the belief  the other person                                                               
would  welcome the  contact.   He added  that another  filed bill                                                               
would  address  this  matter  under  discussion;  however,  under                                                               
current law, it is not  illegal to grab an individual's genitals.                                                               
He offered this as  an example of the need for  the reform of the                                                               
law.                                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  CLAMAN asked  what the  outcome  would have  been had  the                                                               
victim reported the act as having caused pain.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR.  SKIDMORE  postulated  that the  defendant  could  likely  be                                                               
charged with  assault in the  fourth degree by the  definition of                                                               
physical injury under AS 11.81.900, as this requires pain.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  VANCE  complimented  Mr.  Skidmore's  ability  to                                                               
recall details of cases, as this aided in the discussion.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
2:44:02 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  SNYDER,  should  CSSSHB 5(STA)  pass,  questioned                                                               
whether the State v. Townsend  case circumstances would result in                                                             
a charge of sexual assault in the third degree.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR. SKIDMORE answered that it would.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE   SNYDER  asked   whether  sexual   contact  would                                                               
necessarily be limited to areas  of the body typically associated                                                               
with sexual contact.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MR.  SKIDMORE  offered the  example  that  a foot  massage  never                                                               
qualifies as  sexual contact.   He noted  that sexual  contact is                                                               
defined in  AS 11.81.900(b)(61)  as touching, either  directly or                                                               
through clothing,  a victim's genitals,  anus, or  female breast.                                                               
He added  that, under current law,  the inner thigh or  the groin                                                               
would not meet the definition.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE SNYDER asked whether  the state would prosecute an                                                               
individual  who  derived  pleasure  from  touching  an  unwilling                                                               
person's  body  [part, where  the  body  part] is  not  currently                                                               
defined in the statute.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MR.  SKIDMORE answered  that, unlike  some  states requiring  the                                                               
existence  of  sexual gratification  from  a  particular type  of                                                               
touching,  Alaska law  requires only  certain parts  of the  body                                                               
qualify as sexual  contact.  He noted that contact  with semen is                                                               
included in current law in Alaska.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
2:47:10 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  EASTMAN asked  whether the  conduct described  in                                                               
the  State  v.  Townsend  case had  amounted  to  sexual  contact                                                             
because  it  had  involved  contact  through  clothing  with  the                                                               
victim's genitals.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MR. SKIDMORE  answered that the  contact itself did  qualify, but                                                               
the  use   of  force  did  not   exist.    He  stated   that  the                                                               
circumstances of  the use of force,  or the threat of  force, are                                                               
required.   He pointed out  that the  focus of the  discussion is                                                               
whether there is  a lack of consent and whether  the use of force                                                               
is sufficient.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  EASTMAN   referred  to  the  definitions   in  AS                                                               
11.81.900(b)(61)  and  (62)  regarding  penetration.    He  asked                                                               
whether  the law  draws  a distinction  between  male and  female                                                               
victims.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR. SKIDMORE responded  that they are treated as  equal under the                                                               
definition.  In  closing, he stated that as a  prosecutor of more                                                               
than 24 years,  he has struggled with the concept  of consent, as                                                               
he understood  the definition in  law.  He expressed  the opinion                                                               
that this  area in law  should be  changed within the  purview of                                                               
the  legislature.    He  urged  the  committee  to  consider  the                                                               
proposed  definitions and  to take  action to  change the  law to                                                               
codify a common understanding of what  is allowed and what is not                                                               
allowed.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
2:50:35 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR CLAMAN announced that HB 5 was held over.                                                                                 
2:51:08 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
ADJOURNMENT                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
There being no  further business before the  committee, the House                                                               
Judiciary Standing Committee meeting was adjourned at 2:51 p.m.                                                                 

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Board of Governors of the Alaska Bar Appointment - Jedediah Cox Application 3.9.2022.pdf HJUD 3/9/2022 1:00:00 PM
Board of Governors of the Alaska Bar Appointment - Jedediah Cox Resume 3.9.2022.pdf HJUD 3/9/2022 1:00:00 PM
HB 5 v. W 5.6.2021.PDF HJUD 3/4/2022 1:00:00 PM
HJUD 3/9/2022 1:00:00 PM
HJUD 3/30/2022 1:00:00 PM
HJUD 4/15/2022 1:00:00 PM
HB 5
HB 5 Sponsor Statement 2.23.2021.pdf HJUD 3/4/2022 1:00:00 PM
HJUD 3/9/2022 1:00:00 PM
HJUD 3/30/2022 1:00:00 PM
HJUD 4/15/2022 1:00:00 PM
HSTA 3/27/2021 1:00:00 PM
HB 5
HB 5 Sectional Analysis v. W 5.6.2021.pdf HJUD 3/4/2022 1:00:00 PM
HJUD 3/9/2022 1:00:00 PM
HJUD 3/30/2022 1:00:00 PM
HJUD 4/15/2022 1:00:00 PM
HB 5
HB 5 Explanation of Changes v. G to v. W 5.5.2021.pdf HJUD 3/4/2022 1:00:00 PM
HJUD 3/9/2022 1:00:00 PM
HJUD 3/30/2022 1:00:00 PM
HJUD 4/15/2022 1:00:00 PM
HB 5
HB 5 Supporting Document - Articles, Age and Offender Table for SAM 1 and SAM 2, and Consent Tabular Analysis 2.4.2022.pdf HJUD 3/4/2022 1:00:00 PM
HJUD 3/9/2022 1:00:00 PM
HJUD 3/30/2022 1:00:00 PM
HJUD 4/15/2022 1:00:00 PM
HB 5
HB 5 Supporting Document - Letters Received as of 4.9.2021.pdf HJUD 3/4/2022 1:00:00 PM
HJUD 3/9/2022 1:00:00 PM
HJUD 3/30/2022 1:00:00 PM
HB 5
HB 5 Supporting Document - Testimony Received as of 3.3.2022.pdf HJUD 3/4/2022 1:00:00 PM
HJUD 3/9/2022 1:00:00 PM
HJUD 3/30/2022 1:00:00 PM
HB 5
HB 5 Opposing Document - Letters Received as of 4.26.2021.pdf HJUD 3/4/2022 1:00:00 PM
HJUD 3/9/2022 1:00:00 PM
HJUD 3/30/2022 1:00:00 PM
HJUD 4/15/2022 1:00:00 PM
HB 5
HB 5 Fiscal Note DOA-OPA 2.25.2022.pdf HJUD 3/4/2022 1:00:00 PM
HJUD 3/9/2022 1:00:00 PM
HJUD 3/30/2022 1:00:00 PM
HJUD 4/15/2022 1:00:00 PM
HB 5
HB 5 Fiscal Note DOA-PDA 2.25.2022.pdf HJUD 3/4/2022 1:00:00 PM
HJUD 3/9/2022 1:00:00 PM
HJUD 3/30/2022 1:00:00 PM
HJUD 4/15/2022 1:00:00 PM
HB 5
HB 5 Fiscal Note DOC-IDO 2.26.2022.pdf HJUD 3/4/2022 1:00:00 PM
HJUD 3/9/2022 1:00:00 PM
HJUD 3/30/2022 1:00:00 PM
HJUD 4/15/2022 1:00:00 PM
HB 5
HB 5 Fiscal Note LAW-CRIM 2.25.2022.pdf HJUD 3/4/2022 1:00:00 PM
HJUD 3/9/2022 1:00:00 PM
HJUD 3/30/2022 1:00:00 PM
HJUD 4/15/2022 1:00:00 PM
HB 5
HB 5 Fiscal Note DPS-DET 2.25.2022.pdf HJUD 3/4/2022 1:00:00 PM
HJUD 3/9/2022 1:00:00 PM
HB 5
HB 5 Fiscal Note DPS-SCDL 2.26.2022.pdf HJUD 3/4/2022 1:00:00 PM
HJUD 3/9/2022 1:00:00 PM
HJUD 3/30/2022 1:00:00 PM
HJUD 5/6/2022 10:30:00 AM
HB 5
HB 5 Fiscal Note JUD-ACS 3.2.2022.pdf HJUD 3/4/2022 1:00:00 PM
HJUD 3/9/2022 1:00:00 PM
HJUD 3/30/2022 1:00:00 PM
HJUD 4/15/2022 1:00:00 PM
HB 5
HB 5 Additional Document - Department of Law Sexual Assault and Consent Draft Language 3.3.2022.pdf HJUD 3/9/2022 1:00:00 PM
HJUD 3/30/2022 1:00:00 PM
HB 5